Beethoven+Swagphony

__**Jake leader**__ __**Spencer recorder:**__


 * 1. Where do you think they are currently? **

 New York/ Upper East Coast


 * 2. How old do you think the boy is? **

 7-9


 * 3. Do you think the boy was born before the destruction of earth or after? **

 As it was happening


 * 4. Do you think if the Son died the Father would kill himself based off the text? **

 Yes


 *  5. Based off the text, what do you think was the cause of the destruction of earth? **

 Global war

__** Noah leader **__ __** Noah recorder: **__

__** 1. What effect do you think the father's bloody cough will have on his eventual health? **__

More than likely will die, however it won't be immediate, somewhere half way through the book.

__** 2. Do you think the man reached out for their help, or did the lightning kill him instantly? **__

Didn't kill him instantly, however he did not reach out for their help.

__** 3. What importance does the fact that the man is finding all these places that used to mean something to him; his old house, an important spot to his childhood, play on the story. **__

Takes him away from reality, drifting from reality, but at the same time he's fighting to stay with his son.

__** 4. How symbolic is the fire they scrimp together almost every night, as well as the snow and cold. **__

Fire = bonding time, the warmth brings them together and keeps them alive, it's when they can make the best of their situation. It's the most normal thing they have in their lives - brings them back to the old world.

__** 5. Do you believe the boy ever truly knew or met his mother, before she died. **__

Jake: Yes absolutely, she didn't leave as soon as she gave birth. She definitely knew his mom, "I wish mom was here" Spencer: No, he was born yes but he didn't truly know her or anything about her. He knew about her but they didn't have a relationship.

“Then don't. I can't help you. They say that women dream of danger to those in their care and men of danger to themselves. But I don't dream at all. You say you can't? Then don't do it. That's all. Because I am done with my own whorish heart and I have been for a long time. You talk about taking a stand but there is no stand to take. My heart was ripped out of me the night he was born so don't ask for sorrow now. There is none. Maybe you'll be good at this. I doubt it, but who knows. The one thing I can tell you is that you won't survive for yourself. I know because I would have never have come this far. A person who had no one would be well advised to cobble together some passable ghost. Breathe it into being and coax it along with words of love. Offer it each phantom crumb and sheild it from harm with your body. As for me my only hope is for eternal nothingness and I hope it with all my heart” (57). Jake - She was tired of living life, she just gave up. She has lost all hope. Spencer - Reference to the walking dead - should we even bring a child into the world. = = “What would you do if I died? If you died I would want to die too. So you could be with me? Yes. So I could be with you. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Okay.” (11). <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Jake - the man is ready to kill his son should they be captured by cannibals or someone that is ready to harm his child, he's ready to kill the boy himself. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">__**Spencer Discussion Leader**__ <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">__**Jake recorder:**__ <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**Jake Vocabulary Miser:** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Claggy- the flesh of the recently deceased. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Dwindling- The Man and Boys body were dwindling down <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**Noah Connections:** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">The Hatchet was a book about a guy in a plane crash in south dakota. and how he survives for 7 months. Although the setting is different the road and the hatchet have similar struggles like starving, constant danger, and death. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">**1.What is the importance of the son seeing the little boy?** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Noah: It could mean that the boy is going crazy or that there actually is a little boy there  <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Spencer: It shows that the boy only wants to be able to know what other people are like and see what someone like him lives like  <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">**2. What is the importance of the bunker?** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Noah: A chance to start over, renewed hope  <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Spencer: A remnant of something that no longer exists; it provides security and a feeling of home that neither the man nor the boy have had for a long time  <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Jake: It shows the boy that the man is not just lying to him; there are now tangible things from the past that the boy can now see  <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">**3. What did the old man mean by "there is no God and we are his prophets"?** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Noah: If there is God, then why is the world this way? <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Spencer: The old man is saying that there is no God, yet we take things in life that we don't know the answers to and say that it was God's will. We interpret nature as God's will, and when the world is in ruins, we begin to lose faith <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"><span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Jake: That people are beginning to lose hope and question why the world is the way it is  <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**__<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Jake Discussion Leader __** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**__<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">Noah Recorder: __** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">1. Do you think the shelter represents something? ** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Noah: Represents hope. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Spencer: represents the only clean thing in the world, what life was like before, hope, people originally built it out of fear but now its used to provide hope.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Noah: a few more weeks until it starts to really affect him <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Spencer: a couple weeks <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Spencer:the kids afraid, he wouldn't make it three weeks - without food <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Noah: Not very long, not much more then a week, until he ran out of food
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">2. How much longer do you think the dad has? ** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">3. How long do you think the boy would last without the dad? ** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Noah: About as long as they had <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Spencer: they heard a dog and didn't know if the dog was with someone, i would have stayed about three weeks, a half week longer then them <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Jake: i would have stayed a lot longer
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">4. How long would you have stayed in the shelter? ** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Noah: algae - also life. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Jake: they have to eat something, <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Spencer: i don't think he said that there are trout but instead they might be, i don't think it symbolizes life, i think they might.... <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">5. Do you think the trout symbolizes that there is still life on this planet? ** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">
 * <span style="color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif;"> Harrowtrough: the effect created by a field being plowed. In the book, the word is used to describe the grooves within corrugated metal. The corrugate shapes of old harrowtroughs still faintly visible. **
 * <span style="color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif;"> Skein: a long, loosely coiled strand of metal. "There were grey slag pools of melted glass in the ditches and the raw light wires lay in rusting skeins for miles. **


 * <span style="color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif;">Spencer Connection 1: **<span style="color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif;">I can connect to the bunker thing in that on the Appalachian trail they have safety shelters but you never know how far the next one will be, its always nice to know that you have somewhere to rest and that there food and water near by that you can depend upon.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**Integrity:** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Spencer: not eating people, the man and boy could eat people but even though they have to survive they won't resort to it. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Jake: Since theres nobody to watch you out there, no police or anyone, they haven't eaten anybody and they've only killed because they have too, they've gone through this awful world without really doing anything wrong, they could be eating people right now if they wanted, theres no one there to watch them. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**Honesty:** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Jake: The man told the boy if anyone captures them i'm either going to kill you myself or let you do it, if i know that you can. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">Spencer: the kids completely honest, the dads lying to the kid but the boys being completely honest with how he feels and what he thinks they should do.
 * <span style="color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif;">Spencer Connection 2: **<span style="color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif;"> If you've ever put down road or tar, it gets really sticky, and when there were fires it must have melted the road back into tar and people go stuck in it.

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">__**Jake Leader, Spencer recorder**__ <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**Discussion Director (Jake):** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> Maybe just because its his style (he wrote No Country for Old Men), he had just had a son and maybe he was worried, maybe this sort of situation was constantly on his mind, could just be trying to write a book
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">1.Why do you think Cormac wrote the book? **

Civilization, the end of the journey, hope
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">2. What do you think the coast represents? **

Noah: Yes, very last resort Jake: Yes, very last resort Spencer: Yes, very last resort
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">3.Would anyone here resort to cannibalism? **

<span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**Vocab (Spencer):** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**palladian:** Architecture in the style of Andrea Palladio, a 15th century architect. It resembles Roman architecture. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**peidmont:** French for 'land at the foot of the mountains', usually hilly and a little rocky <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**bucksaw:** a saw typically set in an H-frame and used with both hands. <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**Literary Luminary (Noah):** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">
 * <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px;">4. What do you think the boy thought when he saw the water and it wasn't blue? **

2**. Why do you believe the man with the shotgun helped the boy, what or who do you think he represents?** 3. **Would you take the chance the boy did and go with the man, or try to make it on your own and take no chances, almost like the boys father**. 4. **If you could extend the ending (past what was said after the boy agreed to go with the man) or change the ending (starting immediately after his father died) what would you say or change?**
 * Discussion Leader: Noah** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">**Recorder: Jake** <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;">
 * 1. Did anyone else feel as though the ending was rushed, yes the very ending was beautiful, but towards the end of the books conclusion i feel as though it was incredibly rushed, any thoughts?**
 * Jake:** I would say that the ending was not rushed because the second half of the book was being setup for the fathers death, the boy and the father had a moment but like the rest of the book it was cold but realistic.
 * Spencer:** Thought the book was rushed the Dad's death was to quick and the son didn't really react the way that he expected.
 * Jake:** The man had been following them knowing the Dad didn't have much longer and the man is like the boy's guardian angel.
 * Spencer:** The man represents safety and civilization
 * Jake**: I would be hesitant at first but given my situation i don't think i'd have much of a choice. It's either go with the man that sounds genuine or try to live on my own and probably not make it.
 * Spencer:** Would definitely go with the man.
 * Jake:** I would probably have the man take the boy back his place or whatever with the man's family and have everybody sipping hot coco around a fire then the book ends.
 * Spencer:** Read about the boy growing up and becoming a person that does good for this world.

“Where is the man you were with”(282). Jake: From this short quote i think it was Cormac being sneaky showing that the man had been trailing the boy and the father for awhile and knew that the Dad didn't have much longer. Spencer: I think that the man had been trailing along behind the boy and the dad for awhile Noah: Noah agree's with Jake “I can’t. I can’t hold my dead son in my arms. I thought I could but I can’t”(279). Jake: I don't think the father could have killed his son even if the situation called for it. Group agrees <span style="background-color: #ffffff; color: #181818; display: block; font-family: georgia,serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left;"> “See if you can find the first aid kit.

The boy didn’t move.

Get the first aid kit, damn it. Don’t just sit there.”(267).

When I was about 12, my dad and I saw a car crash and he told me to go get the first aid kit. I was in shock from seeing the crash, so just stood there, and my dad started yelling at me because he needed it to help the people in the car.

“Will I hear you?

Yes. You will. You have to make it like talk that you imagine. And you’ll hear me. You have to practice. Just don’t give up. Okay?”

This reminds me of the scene in The Lion King where Simba is talking to his dad and it’s basically the same discussion.